data.3news-bydate.test.rec.sport.hockey.53555 Maven / Gradle / Ivy
From: [email protected] (Greg Ballentine)
Subject: Re: plus minus stat
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In article [email protected], [email protected] (Roger Maynard) writes:
>In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Greg Ballentine) writes:
>>1. You have completely missed the point with the Selke trophy. It goes
>>to the best defensive forward. This is the forward who forgoes points
>>to help his team out defensively. It is an unsung hero of sorts. Yes,
>>Lemieux and Gilmour are good defensive players, but they play a more
>>offensively oriented style than a true defensive forward. This year,
>
>You mean guys that check but can't score? The guys who can both check
>and score shouldn't be candidates? Is that right?
The Selke candidate forwards main purpose on a shift is to prevent goals
from being scored- not to score them. When Lemieux or Gilmour play their
number one purpose is to score- defence is secondary- especially considering
the line that plays against them is probably a defensive one. That is
why they are not Selke candidates.
>>2. When Tarasov called Bob Gainey the best player in the world, it was
>>assumed that he meaned the best _technical_ player- the one who knew
>>every intricacy about playing hockey and never made a technical error.
>
>And who was it that made this assumption? All of your friends maybe?
>Sorry Greg, but 2 people aren't enough...you can "assume" all that you
>want to, but if you think Tarasov was serious then you are an idiot.
Someone posted something about this assumption being lost in translation
(it was a few months ago). Whoever this was please repost it.
>>I agree with this assessment. Bob Gainey may have been the best technical
>>player ever.
>
>Right Greg. Did you see this in the Sun or something? What did you think
>of Claude Provost? Gainey was nothing more than a journeyman player who's
>outstanding abilities were entirely political. He might have had a col-
>lection of defensive skills but he had absolutely no offensive skills at
>all. None. But perhaps you think that the abilities to pass the puck, shoot
>the puck and deke a goalie or defenseman are not technical skills?
Gainey is the best defensive forward ever. I stand by that assessment.
He was a very good player who belongs in the hall of fame. Did you
ever watch him play? He never made a technical error.
>Gee Greg, the pundits were calling Gilmour the best two-way player in the
>league way back when he was with St. Louis. I would have expected you to
>have picked up on that.
Who are these pundits?? Gilmour was good with St Louis- but he was not the
best two-way player in the game when he was with them. You have overhyped
Gilmour on this net for months. He is a very good forward- but hardly the
best in the NHL.
Gregmeister