data.3news-bydate.test.rec.sport.hockey.53966 Maven / Gradle / Ivy
From: [email protected] (Brad Gibson)
Subject: Re: plus minus stat
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
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>In article [email protected], [email protected] (Joseph R Mcdonald) writes:
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>>Jagr has a higher +/-, but Francis has had more points. And take it from
>>an informed observer, Ronnie Francis has had a *much* better season than
>>Jaromir Jagr. This is not to take anything away from Jaro, who had a
>>decent year (although it didn't live up to the expectations of some).
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>Bowman tended to overplay Francis at times because he is a Bowman-style
>player. He plays hard at all times, doesn't disregard his defensive
>responsibilities and is a good leader. Bowman rewarded him be increasing his
>ice time.
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>Jagr can be very arrogant and juvenile and display a "me first" attitude.
>This rubbed Bowman the wrong way and caused him to lose some ice time.
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>Throughout the year, Francis consistently recieved more ice time than
>Jagr. Althouhg I have never seen stats on this subject, I am pretty
>sure that Jagr had more points per minute played that Francis. When
>you add to that Jagr's better +/- rating, I think it becomes evident
>that Jagr had a better season- not that Francis had a bad one.
>
Actually, what I think has become more evident, is that you are determined to
flaunt your ignorance at all cost. Jagr did not have a better season than
Francis ... to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with a modicum of
hockey knowledge. Save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty
plus/minus ... it is the most misleading hockey stat available.
Until the NHL publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice
time per game and some measure of its "quality" (i.e., is the player put out
in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game; is he matched up
against the other team's top one or two lines; short-handed, etc), I would
much rather see the +/- disappear altogether instead of having its dubious
merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications.
Brad
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