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From: [email protected] (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Bonilla
Reply-To: [email protected] (Roger Lustig)
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In article [email protected] writes:
>[email protected] (Eric Roush) writes:
>>>>All of these divisions based on race, religion, etc. make me sick.
>>>As they should. Isn't it nice that MLB is finally waking up to
>>>their existence? Isn't it a shame that hiring practices, on and off
>>>the field, have been discriminatory for so long? (Quick: name a
>>>light-hitting black outfielder or 1B who lasted 10+ years in the bigs.
>>>I bet you can name two dozen white ones.)
>>Otis Nixon.
>>Darnell Coles
>>Henry Cotto
>Manny Mota.
a) Dominican
b) not all that light-hitting. .304 lifetime, .315 or so in 1966-73
when he did most of his playing.
c) Professional pinch-hitter after that. Yes, that also gives you
Jerry Hairston.
>Billy Hatcher
Beginning 10th year now.
>Herm Winningham.
Good one.
>Lonnie Smith (not light hitting, but a horror in the field)
Not the same thing. LOTS of people are bad OFs.
>Gary Redus
Not all that light either. .750 OPS.
>Dion James
Not 10 year.
>Daryl Boston
10-year this year.
>Vince Coleman (yeah, he's finally started to have a decent OBP)
Not 10-year.
>Cecil Espy
Not 10-year.
>Willie Wilson
Yup.
>Gary Pettis
OK.
>Milt Thompson
10-year this year.
>Gary Varsho
*Six*-year this year.
>OK, I admit to taking a quick browse through the Major League Handbook, but
>only after the first 7 or 8. Oh, and there's the all-time light-hitting
>black outfielder: Lou Brock. Look it up. And Curt Flood. Cesar Geronimo.
Brock, Coleman, and Wilson were hot-dog basestealers (also Lonnie Smith);
that seems to be a special class. CFs like Pettis and Wilson also get
more of a break, especially if they actually *do* field well. And Brock
wasn't all that bad a hitter either, not until the end there when he
spoiled his ifetime .300 BA.
And again, I suspect thatthe problem is lessening over time. But if
you look at the history of the last three decades, there seems to
be a clear race-based pattern by which utility players and platoon
players and lesser talents stayed in the ML far longer if they were
white.
>Cesar Cedeno.
Light hitting? 199 HR, .793 lifetime OPS mainly with *HOUSTON*?
Also Latin, btw.
>>Note: These guys may not have reached 10 years yet, but they've got
>>to be close.
>Likewise for my list. Oh, and a prediction: Milt Cuyler.
Come back in 1999 and we'll party^H^H^H^H^H talk.
Roger