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From: [email protected] (Mike Jones)
Subject: Re: How does a pitcher get a save?
Reply-To: [email protected]
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[email protected] writes:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (GEOFFREY E DIAS) writes:
>> The subject line says it all. What is the rule that qualifies
>> a pitcher as making a save?
>IMHO this is the most untrustworthy, silly stat, by today's rules, in all
>of baseball. My understanding is to qualify as a save a pitcher cannot
>pitch more than three innings and the potential tying run must at least
>appear in the on-deck circle. Also, the lead a pitcher enters with cannot
>excede three runs.
This is a phenomenon known around work as ready-fire-aim. I am astounded at
the number of times people post strong opinions about things they not only
don't understand but publicly admit to not understanding. In fact, there's a
plausible argument that saves are a more rational stat than wins.
For the record, there are two ways that a reliever can get a save:
He must finish the game and either
1. have entered the game with the tying run on base, at bat, or on deck.
2. have pitched at least three innings effectively.
A pitcher may not get a win and a save in the same game.
>I believe that the official scorers must assert more of their authority in
>determining winners/savers/etc. For instance, a pitcher can come in in the
>ninth with a lead, blow the lead, fall behind, have his team come back in
>the next half inning and earn the win. Has this pitcher earned a win, no
>way.
But this is an argument that *wins* is a dumb stat, not saves.
>I guy could pitch five strong innings of middle relief and see his
>teammates rally to tie the score. Assume he came in to start the fourth
>and left after the eighth. His teammate holds the opposition scoreless in
>the ninth and they score a run in the bottom of the ninth to win. The
>third pitcher earns the win and the middle reliever gets no "stat"
>satisfaction.
This again doesn't support your claim about saves at the beginning of your
post.
Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | [email protected]
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